Adding Storytelling To Your Talks Ep02 With Nick Bowditch

 
 
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Storytelling and public speaking go hand in hand.  People hate to be told what to think or do, but they love thinking they came up with it themselves.

This is where storytelling comes in. Controlling the narrative and taking people on a journey is powerful. It creates more engagement, allows people to relate on a deeper level and best of all lets you impact more people when you are presenting.

Having watched 100’s of amazing speakers over the years one that has stuck with me due to both his storytelling and do it his way attitude is Nick Bowditch.

Nick is a successful (and unsuccessful) entrepreneur, a storyteller, a marketer, an addict, a mental health advocate, a sexual abuse victim, and someone who lives with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). 

Nick is also a survivor.  

As the only person in Asia-Pacific to have worked at both Facebook and Twitter, Nick is also a thought-leader in using social media as a storytelling tool for businesses and individuals alike, he is a sought-after keynote speaker, and travels nationally and internationally encouraging audiences to be the very best versions of themselves, to FINALLY start owning and telling their OWN story, to discover their resilience and their true voice, and to find their kindness. 

Social Media: @nickbowditch across most channels

www.nickbowditch.com.au 

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Victor Ahipene: Speaking nation, what’s happening? Welcome to another episode of public speaking secrets. I’m your host, Victor. Here today we have Nick Bowditch, who is a TEDX speaker, author and is the only person in Asia Pacific to have worked at facebook and twitter and he’s a thought leader, which is what we’re going to jump into, not necessarily the thought leader side of things, but on how he has become that using storytelling as a tool. Welcome to the show. Nick, look how, first off, I know there’s a lot of people just their heads are spinning at the words facebook and twitter and the same scene. How did you become kind of that go? How did, how did you manage to get into both of those organizations and then how have you been able to spin out of that and to kind of the author Speaker Role?

Nick Bowditch: To be totally blunt and honest about it, but coming into it, I came from a tech background. I had a few startups coming in and then the last one was an agency in which I helped other small businesses, um, get going and build and grow using facebook largely. And I think of the time when no one else has really kind of using it in that way. And um, and we were just sort of doing things a little bit differently and we sort of came to the attention of facebook and we’re looking to build out a small business team and is part of the world. And that never had a team here that he had, um, a very small sales team here at the time based in Sydney and Singapore. And anyway, so I was doing public speaking at the time, speaking at events and stuff.

Nick Bowditch: And uh, I feel I came out to, uh, speak at the same event that I was speaking on and introduced himself and uh, and we got talking from there and then he was aware of the work that I’d done and, and hen you have brands that I’d helped and, and all that sort of stuff. And then, um, it kind of positive, like, you know, we, we really want to build out these teams for business, uh, in Asia, in Australia, New Zealand, I am, we’d love you to be sort of the man. What they wanted was somebody who was already recognized as somebody who knew stuff about facebook and small business. I didn’t want to sort of parachute someone in and then tell the Australian market that they were the Australian facebook guy that I kind of wanted to reverse engineer it. So that’s how they came to ask me.

Nick Bowditch: And it was, it was just a great opportunity. I stayed there for about three and a half years and um, and it was, and it was great. I loved every, every but every second of it I’ll learn something new. And it was, it was really good. And then when I left I kind of did nothing for a little while. I was, um, I just relaxed and, and they were very small then. And so I spent a little time with them and then rebounded out of that into working at twitter, doing the same sort of thing. So they um, they approached me through linkedin ironically enough and uh, and asked me the nice thing, you know, we’re doing our small business team, um, you know, we’re a couple of years behind facebook in, in kind of the market and the market, sort of how the market sees us and stuff like that.

Nick Bowditch: So we really want someone to come in and just kind of copy and paste what I did at facebook to do that, not that that team. And I’m like, Hey, we can do that, you know, it was a big fan of twitter. So I’m. And, and, and when I was at facebook it was one of very few facebook employees. They used twitter or knew anything about it. So it was kind of a nice little synergy. And then yeah. So that’s kind of bay. And then that positioning statement that you mentioned the Star Victoria, you know, uh, the only guy and I fear whatever, how are you going to say it’s worked at both brains and the only person in the world to work in both brands in marketing that that fairy dust will eventually wear off. And then somebody else is going to be that, you know, but, um, but it’s been a great marketing and personal branding positioning statement and so for me, um, in the last few years since I left twitter to position myself as a speaker and an expert in, in that sort of stuff and then, and how storytelling can help brands begins more achieve and grow on this platform

Victor Ahipene: before, before we jump into the, the, um, the storytelling side of things when it comes to. I mean, it sounds like you were doing speaking gigs prior to speaking gigs after, um, how did you. I mean there’s a lot of aspiring speakers out there out there listening and I think you kind of gave a good, a good a gym near, on how people can utilize what they’re already doing to position themselves extremely well with the right wording. And it’s not a lie, it’s just how you can bring yourself as, as that unique person. But when it comes to actually putting yourself out there for speaking gigs and then I guess pricing yourself. Because I’ve followed you for a while and I know that you’re very transparent with, with a lot of that, a pricing and that sort of thing. So how, what kind of words of wisdom would you throw out to the speakers? Just starting out or looking to get their footage

Nick Bowditch: that we both get the same question for people who are starting out, you know, what do I do free stuff if I don’t do free stuff and I get to work. You’ve got to get the work experience to kind of get the work that kind of a merry go round is pretty real. I, I’ll tell you how I did it. I don’t, I’m an expert in how I did it. I’m not really an excluded anybody else should do it, but how I did it was I used to do stuff for free at first until I sort of got a bit of stage craft and a bit of a name and in and stuff like that. And then I very quickly, um, escalate it up through charging to what I charge. Now I’m only because I feel like I felt like I had done that kind of apprenticeship.

Nick Bowditch: Oh yeah, the free Tuesday night Gig at the rotary club sort of thing, which is quizzes. Yeah, it’s foreign work. It’s still an engaged audience and all that. It doesn’t have to be a 10,000 seat stadium. It’s still really great work, you know. And um, I’d done all that and I felt like I wanted to chat and you wouldn’t want to charge and you mentioned my transparency around charging and, and I’m one of very, very few speakers who has the price on their website, you know, um, because I don’t know why, I think, I think we’d be at either the whole pumping thing or we don’t really want to say and what we want to be able to negotiate. Um, I, I just feel like I don’t want to negotiate a fuel like I’ve done the work. Um, and my price is the price for a reason in any, in having that transparently there in black and what, it actually saves a lot of really awkward.

Nick Bowditch We conversations with people about our budget and nor could you fill this and because you do it for that, I just, I just don’t do it for what it is and, and, and if you, if you can’t afford that, that’s okay for both of us were going to miss out on each other and that’s a shame, but that’s what my price is and I feel like, you know, if you have to buy a jar of vegemite and Kohl’s, it’s $2, $69 and that’s what it is. You can haggle about it and it’s just what it is and it’s, it’s that price for a reason. So yeah,

Victor Ahipene: you gotta bring your own plastic bag. I’m absolutely. With all of that. What does, what does speaking makeup of your, your say your week, month and year nowadays, like it obviously being a somewhat professional speaker or doing a lot of paid speaking gigs. It’s, I guess then out of balancing, you know, doing other business activities and writing and speaking and, and mentoring and things like that that have had of you.

Nick Bowditch:  I would love to tell you that I’ve got a very shawnee spreadsheet and Sol works out very well, but that would be a lie. I try to limit my speaking engagements for months primarily because of the travel involved with them, even if it’s just a brisbane or just a moment on base around Sydney. So, you know, they still travel away from my family away from my home, from my own banded and all of that stuff. And then has to be taken into account. Um, so in terms of say revenue, um, it’s, it’s, it’s the biggest pile of my total revenues comes from speaking, but I find that I sell a lot of books through speaking gates and I get a lot of speaking bookings through my books. So it’s kind of, they kind of a business card for each other in some ways and I’ll do a little bit of consulting here and there, but not much.

Nick Bowditch Um, so it’s really my, my, my job, I guess if you want to say that is my job as a speaker and in our, in our write books. Um, and it’s a real balance to not just say yes to everything, but I find the pricing helps them that, but I still say no to certain things. There’s some, some brands in some industries that I just want, I just want to work with, for my own reasons and that doesn’t stop them asking me, but it just stops me saying yes and say no to things that I don’t feel comfortable doing and that kind of things without a bit too

Victor Ahipene:  an awesome position to Ian. But everyone’s in their position regardless, like it with the, uh, needing the money or wanting the money or whatever. You can still say no to these different industries, which is.

Nick Bowditch: And it’s hard, right? I, I’m in a position now where I can say no and not think, oh shit, I can’t, am I going to pay the mortgage if I say no, you know, whatever it is. Um, but I wasn’t always and still made the decision to not work with some brands and some organizations will do some swaps of geeks because it’s attracted from my brand. I’m not because of some pious audiology or anything that just, you know, I just didn’t want to do that work and I knew that sometimes are related to money and, but I still said no and it’s, it is really hard to say no, but at the more you say no, the more things come to you, which are easier to say yes to a guarantee that. So it’s, yeah, that’s a piece of paper that goes there with, with your

Victor Ahipene: books that you’ve written in a happy for you to give them a plug and a bit of background about what, what they are about. But when it comes to tie that into your speaking side of things, you said it’s obviously like a business card and it kind of yet when one rolls out to the next it, was there a time where you, when you’re obviously speaking before you had a book, was there, did you know it was. Did you notice more opportunities coming about? Yeah, directly because of that book?

Nick Bowditch: Yeah. If you go on Amazon and search my name, you’ll also get books or did you go my website and Click on book? She’ll say I’m, I was just speaking and the stuff that I mostly spoke about, which was a online marketing or social branding and things like that, a tech start up, that kind of thing, which is, is more background and, and whatever. Um, they didn’t really lend themselves very well to the bookstore I wrote anyway because the books that I’ve written, the two books, the one which is best seller and the one which is just recently, I’m more about my own sort of personal development stuff. So it hasn’t, they haven’t necessarily married that well in, in that way. Um, but I would say that the more, the more books I’ve sold or the more books that have been in people’s hands, the more people who come to my speaking gigs and brought them for me to sign them or, or, or just have thought, oh, I’ve read that dude’s book.

Nick Bowditch: I see you speaking in this thing. I’ll go like, I know that happens a lot because people say that to me. Um, and so yeah, look at the books definitely what writing definitely exposes me as a speaker to different people who wouldn’t necessarily be exposed to otherwise. Um, likewise. Um, so to speak to people, you know, who they might’ve read something or read something by a similar author, the main then somehow find me through google or through Amazon, you know, you might like this too, which is a great, great tool. Um, and then they ended up being. So it’s just a really nice little complimentary adjunct really, you know, I feel, I feel like speakers you don’t have a bit controversial maybe because you don’t have something to adjunct. They’re speaking Korean with just missing that opportunity at all. And I mean they all have to be speakers or they all have to have like the, the seven day program that they sell or whatever it might be, the subscription website, but the ones that do, I think for the people who are interested in it, it’s a really nice little bonus. And, and uh, you know, I just think it works well. It’s nice to have to give people another option to like something else of yours if they’ve liked you as a speaker

Victor Ahipene:  And particularly if it’s a or something like that. It’s a nice way to give back to the spiky. I enjoyed this and I’ll get the book edits, the 58 other books that I have to rate that you eventually, then it reminds you, it, like I say, I, I’m very, very passionate about making, speaking not boring and getting more people out there to be able to share their message because it’s. I would have never come across. You had, you had not been a speaker at a couple of and I mean since then I’ve kind of followed your journey and, and you know, seeing, seeing different things is that they’ve unfolded, but I want to dive into a little bit of you as a speaker. Yeah. We’ve talked about, yeah, you’re speaking out there and facebook coming up to you and saying, hey, let’s have a chat. Let’s have a meeting. But at that stage, were you still wearing the same things as you were today? Is that always been your time?

Nick Bowditch: So you were alluding to the fact that I don’t dress in a certain time when I, when I speak on stage or addresses me and I’ll feel like that’s a real. That was always been a real decisions may not in a, in a kind of vacuous or I’m cynical way. I just feel like if I wear a suit and tie or height it for star every second of it and I’ll just feel like that’s a lie. I feel like that’s not a true, authentic, engaging representation of me. If you make me wait, you and I met at an event where I was on stage and and whatever. So that, that first time you saw me working and then and now you know me as not that guy. One of those things is a lie either online to you now or I was lying to you then and I just, I don’t want that. I would rather just give you and everybody else and authentic representation of me and you can take the lead.

Victor Ahipene: It’s probably why I think I will speak about. I think that’s why I resonated as I hate wearing long pants. I wear shorts everyday, Queensland. Oh, shorts. Every day. I hate wearing shoes. Um, you know, you’re out there and I’ll drop the Aussie Slang and thongs and uh, and, and kind of shorts or jeans and a tee shirt or. Yeah, pretty much. It’s pretty, you know, I resonate with that and the sense I’ll go to a networking event if people don’t want to talk to me because I’m not wearing a suit and tie, then I probably don’t want to talk to them either.

Nick Bowditch: Exactly. And then, you know, look, I work with a lot of startups and startups will library, well now actually, but mostly in Australia, New Zealand and sometimes we grab some corporate dude or corporate lady and put them in the car, rolled out and then make them go to some conference and they hated it. It’s like it’s not, it’s not there many more than me. The suit is me. And so I think it’s really important that it’s 2018. If you are in 2018, be who you are dressed the way you want and, and not be seen as somehow less professional, less clever. Then something seriously wrong

Nick Bowditch: and likewise if you think that only the only smart and worthwhile and effective and investible, if they were in a suit and tie, then there is something a bit off with you as well

Victor Ahipene: when it comes to. And this is where I, I really love to delve into it, storytelling, uh, know I, I listened to a lot of talks. I follow a lot of people and I’d put you up there as one, as one of the better storytellers when it comes to delivering effective message with a, with a speech and obviously you do it with and help businesses do it as well. But are there any transferrable skills that you see from what you do? It’s not just a ism that, that you have that, hey, I’m just phenomenal at doing this. Or is it something that, you know, you feel storytelling that you can. Everybody can kind of cookie cutter to a degree in tight certain learnings from it.

Nick Bowditch:  Let me, let me re one. One state. Right? When I spoke a lot about small business and startup and social media and all of that stuff, it started to become evident to me that there was a lot of people starting to do that. And then the, of course, you know, they’re a dime a dozen. So I wanted to kind of differentiate myself away from that and I knew that the facebook and twitter fairy dust would eventually, whereas, you know, um, so I thought about things and changing our branding a little bit in some water I could still still speak about but be effective and be useful in that small business space or at least, you know, at business and conference space and storytelling was something that I was always really good at and I always thought that small businesses in particular were pretty terrible. Um, and, and we fill our, you know, we still not very well capable of standing up and saying this is what we do. We’re really good at it. That’s why we charge this much. Yeah, whatever it might be. And so I think that’s initially how I became Australia’s storytelling expert, which is a tagline of course, like any like, um, and you know, you can’t deny it. You can’t, nobody can say, well, you’re not Australian into somebody else’s eyes. My Love. So you can tell them,

Victor Ahipene:  let me tell you.

Nick Bowditch: Yeah, yeah. But, so that’s facing tissue question. I think we all have stories in this. I think we all are natural storytellers. We descended from natural storytellers regardless of what your heritage is. Um, story has kept us alive for, you know, thousands of years and civilizations all over the, all over the world. It still is how we interact with people 200 times every day. We’re in a story. Every single time you go and pay, you go and perpetually Kai, you walk into the Kashi. That’s the story right there. And the way that he or she perceives you, the conversation that you have, the interaction, everything about it, that’s the story. And that happens over and over and over again. And if you also ran a boss, more children like I am, then you are stuck in story all day. Know most of the story is a bit rubbish, but you know, they still, they still go on and on.

Nick Bowditch: So I feel like I just want us to be like, I’d love that you said before the you just want people to be able to share. They met more people to be able to share their message and an arm of exactly the same moment. I feel like people say, oh look, I don’t have anything to say or I don’t have, I didn’t work at facebook and twitter. I don’t have this experience that and whatever. But everybody has a human experience and human experience is full of stories. What full of stories and, and everybody can tell something that is engaging about something that’s banal and, and that’s a human gift that what’s. So what sets us apart really in the animal kingdom, you know, is the ability to transfer information from one another that might seem boring but make it worthwhile and engaging. Useful. And that’s the, that’s the ticket, you know.

Nick Bowditch: Um, and I just feel like we do a very poor job of that. And so at the time, and it still is a nice little niche for me to operate in because people do have a thirst for it. People want to be better at it, uh, but also people recognize that they’re not great at it and, and they want to sort of upskilling that air. And that’s, that’s largely what I do and what I talk about now is he’s, he’s, and particularly then my slate is particularly on telling your own story, having, you know, having the audience be part of your own endeavor, your own enterprise, your own storytelling of your own life, which, which we are a bit reticent to do sometimes. And that’s a shame I think.

Victor Ahipene: And I think what I try and do with a lot of people is getting them to reframe are they. A lot of people are scared of the word expert being an expert in anything. And I’m like man, if you love the 80 slash 20 rule. So it’s like if you 80 slash 20, can you teach eight out of 10 people walking down the street, something that they don’t know, like, Oh, you’re an expert to them. You’re a subject metrics, but yeah, there’s probably, yeah, if you’re a doctor, you can tell a lot of people about their house and expert doctors, so we’re gonna know more than you, but that doesn’t mean that you’re any less than an expert and then yeah, with the storytelling side of things, if people didn’t come in and tell stories that they already know about themselves, that that passionate about then all of a you’re, what are you afraid of when you’re public speaking? You’re an expert. People want to listen to what you’ve got now. Keep them engaged and don’t read it off slides for 20 minutes and then walk off.

Nick Bowditch: But I think there’s two points. I want to just reaffirm what you’ve said there. The first thing is that I don’t, I don’t say that, so I speak a lot about mental health now plus development and stuff like that. My arguments, right? Because I’m not a mental health expert, but I am absolutely an expert in mental health, but I talk about my own experience. I talking about my own journey, my own struggle, my stuff up. Someone wins as well and in doing that, the second thing that comes out of that is nobody can say that’s not right or nobody can challenge my content because it’s my experience. You know, like I’m not saying that everybody has to do x, Y, and zed. What I’m saying is this is what I did and this was the effect that it had in my life. And I just think that is such a free for people that we don’t take very often is just tell the story of what is true for you.

Nick Bowditch: You know, don’t, don’t try. And, and I think the one really, really simple route which has helped me in this way is I try never to say on stage, never to say should or must because I feel like as soon as I do that on, in that teaching professor expert lecturing mode, which doesn’t really sit with what with me or for my audience for that. So instead of that, I say things like, you know, if I was you or this is what I did. And then you can, if you speak in the eye, it just takes all of that pressure off that you’re not saying you should do this or you must do that. You decided, you know what, this is what I did and this is what happened. And I just think it’s a really good thing to remember.

Victor Ahipene: I love that because people don’t want to be told anything like you have a significant other, you have your kids, your kids save you whatever, and you say to people you need to do blah, blah blah. Versus giving them a reason to understand that. And I think that’s where storytelling is brilliant. Because it’s like, yeah, this is what happened. This is what I did, this was the result. And people can logically come to the conclusion themselves rather than being like, oh, this is what I did, this is what you have to do. And then you might get this resolved at the end and no one likes being told what to do. So if they can, I think that geniuses for coming up with it themselves, then you know, old the old video, you’ve done your job.

Nick Bowditch: Yeah, that’s a great idea. You’ve just come up with that sort of thing is really is the case with an audience and I’ll feel it and you know, to say what you just said. Then like if you, if you say to a six year old, don’t touch that pan is hot or if you say to a six year old, see we’re not attached that pain with my risk, etc. That market still beta was that painless. And The kid’s like, oh, okay, well I’m not going to do that rather than, you know, it’s like if you say, if you, if you’re anything like me, if you see a sign that says wet pine, I can’t help myself, man, I just have to touch it, you know? So yeah, I just, I just feel like we don’t want to be told we want to be led. We definitely want leadership and we definitely want somebody who is going to accept us for who we are and not lecture us. That’s why the media or mainstream media is filing because all it does is talk at us until until this, you know what to think instead of telling us how to think and I think that’s a big difference.

Victor Ahipene: I’ll get a couple of questions. Last question to round off. One is just a personal interest. I spoke at a tedx event last year as well. How did you Being a a competent speaker, how did you find the process of the tactics like leading up to it?

Nick Bowditch: Oh, I spoke at a tedx event in India and I know that other people have spoken in Australia that were very, very different, lots of rehearsals, all that sort of stuff. Mom wAs not like that. Although there was a lot of. I felt what I kind of as a pr him really wonky, but as a professional speaker I feel like that will kind of like telling me how to suck eggs a little bit, but that’s because they particularly all that. Totally understand that and I don’t really know. I mean I can be pretty unpredictable and pretty erratic. As I said before, and I’m a suit tie, powerpoint, ga, so, you know, it’s taking a bit of a risk, but look, I just think it’s a, I just think it’s an interesting thing and I really liked the disparate, um, sort of talent that’s involved in the dialogue that and, and I just love learning from other people. So I thought that was pretty cool too.

Victor Ahipene: Yeah, I love it when it’s just. What I love about it is that everybody got no ulterior motive. Like it’s not this, it’s not the self-promotion. Here’s the pitch. at the end of it, it’s not, you know, some event organizers are trying to make a lot of money off the back end of it or anything like that. It’s just everyone just out trying to share our message, which was going. Yeah, I was just interested on the, on the prices of trump probably saved my lIfe for another episode. It was, it was, yeah. It was interesting. It was fine, but interesting.

Nick Bowditch: Done it before.

Victor Ahipene: Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Bowditch: You know how you got me to come, so maybe we should just let me do what I do for a living.

Victor Ahipene: Yeah. Well my mind was after speaking at another event that the emc organized one, but it was like doing rehearsals, having to hand in a written out speech, which was like, whoa, I haven’t haven’t done that. And that was like a few weeks before and then try and memorize that would rule me out. Shook a couple, a couple of the other people as well with that. That was interesting. Last couple of questions. Outside of your own books, what’s the best book you’ve read in the last 12 months?

Nick Bowditch: Question. Without notice. I read a lot. I read a lot online, so don’t read. I don’t read a lot of books, although I did read probably been the last 12 months. He’s an author. it’s called the wild go. I’m surprisingly about storytelling in storytellers. She tells the story of the girl who was basically involved with one of the grimm brothers who, uh, the german boys in the house, gretel and so on, and how she is girl was actually the one who wrote most of the story. So it’s, it’s a, it’s a novel that’s based in fact, and it’s actually like, there’s a lot of crossover and stuff like that. It was really clever. So it’s called the wall go by kate forsyth, who’s, who’s a great australian author. She, she’s a nonfiction author who’s written a little bit of fiction and this is one of those really great

Victor Ahipene: [email protected] Uh, final question, uh, who is a person you would recommend other speakers to go out and have a look at, uh, you know, to either a great talk that was given or somebody is consistently putting out good info or. Yeah, or a brilliant storyteller or what

Nick Bowditch: someone I’ve worked with a lot, andrew griffiths, easy gains because all over the place will ever recorded in the world. He’s just come back from doing a speaking gig in tehran, but he’s really great personable kind of speaker. I’m very, very likable, very on point, very, very well researched. Really good stage craft. Just a very, very, very good. And the other one that I’d recommend is gil hicks. So jill hakes, sorry, julie thinks she’s based in south Australia. She was somebody who was caught up in, um, the terrorist bombings in london, seven slash seven. I’m on the bus and the tube, uh, was bombed and she lost both of her legs in that bombing. And she speaks a lot about resilience and forgiveness and inclusiveness in particular, including a inclusiveness and the people who have ultimately hurt her and her family and just an amazing space.

Nick Bowditch: If you look it up on youtube, you’ll see some of the stuff she’s done, but she’s just so engaging and so honest and so real and it’s very, very moving stuff. She’s not a speaker like she, she wasn’t a speaker I should say, but um, but what she does now is he’s, um, speaks very, very, how heartedly about heart centered stuff about forgiveness and resilience. And it’s some of the best work I’ve ever seen anyone do on the stage and she has amazing stagecraft, amazing presence, and if you, or if you actually victor, if you link these, the top that she did it for one day, which was an event that I spoke as well, and you’ll see her stage craft at that is something else. It’s just very moving and very real. I can’t even explain it. I really want you to all. And then he is the center.

Victor Ahipene: Big guy run. That’s going to be linked at the publicspeakingblueprint.com. If that’s not a compelling enough reason to jump over there. Check out all the links that we’ve talked about, but no doubt. Kick out those talks because the way that you know, there’s plenty of ways to improve your speaking, but one of them is just to see those who are doing it well. Doing it. And I want to thank you, nick, for someone who’s out there actually in the trenches. You haven’t just done changed your social media profile to say that you’re a professional speaker and I and I appreciate tha, but if people want to check out a bit more about you and what you’re up to, where can they go and

Nick Bowditch: They come to you or find me on the cross? All the socials. I’m @nickbowditch

Victor Ahipene: Brilliant. Well, we wIll link all of that and it’s been an absolute pleasure mate and I look forward to catching up next time you’re in Queensland,

Nick Bowditch: You’re very welcome.

 

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