Creating Masterful Pieces of Art Ep09 with Cameron Brown

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Cameron Brown is an international keynote speaker.

A high performance coach and has just returned from delivering the closing talk at Italy’s largest TEDx event. He loves helping people step up to their next level of excellence and showing what’s possible when we tap into our limitless potential.

Victor Ahipene: Speaking nation, what’s happening? Victor Iep here and today we’ve got Cameron Brown who is an international keynote speaker. He is a change maker in high performance expert and he’s also just come back from a ted x event which was the largest in Italy and he was the final speaker there and his speech is just gone live, have checked it out. It’s absolutely awesome and I just. I’ve been following cams progress. Well when I say progress has content for a long time because there’s something about it that gets people watching it and it’s really kind of wanted to get in behind the scenes of that and get a bit of an idea of, of what that all looks like. So we’re going to delve into that and their whole lot more today on today’s episode, but to do that go to welcome Ken. Welcome to the show my friend. Great to debate here man. So I congrats on your, on your Tedx talk. It was absolutely amazing for everyone out there. Give us a little bit of background about you and then a bit of a background about what your, what your talking tailed and because it was different and it fitted into the category of, of any good ted talk of a. It was, it was a bit out of left field and a bit different in and got everyone thinking.


Cameron Brown: Yeah. Yeah. So, so for me, I’m from Australia originally. I’m a, I’m now over in official living in the US, but grew up in uh, in Australia, um, have been running a coaching and training company for what’s about since about late 2010 now and have loved doing speaking engagements, coaching engagements all across the world now. The last 18 months has been spent traveling the world permanently. I sold everything that I owned at the end of 2016 and it was really to demonstrate I, I’m a big believer in being a living and breathing example of what I speak and coach on versus just talking about it and just coaching on it. So I sold everything that I orange, um, it was to showcase a few different things. It was to showcase that, um, we, when we use technology in a purposeful way, we can really speed up and magnify our creativity, our innovation, and our impact in the world. Um, it was to show that you can build relationships with anybody anywhere through the use of technology like Linkedin, for example, when we’re talking about it from a business point of view, um, and really to show that you don’t need things to be happy, um, as well. Um, and finally that, uh, when we utilize our unique set of talents and strengths, whatever they offer, each of us, uh, we can really, really create some remarkable things in the world and make a difference. Uh, so that was, uh, an amazing, uh, 18 months. There were speaking engagements across four continents, uh, well over a million people saw the, saw the videos organically, which was remarkable, uh, became a national geographic explorer out of, out of that journey and was then invited to deliver the closing talk. As you mentioned before, the closing talk, Italy’s largest TEDX event. So with that talk, uh, it was, the title was what future are we creating? And, uh, it was really to show case that, uh, when we can utilize technology in one of two ways or one of two primary ways, we can either use it in a way that advances us or in a way that actually detracts us from where we are wanting to go. And I really wanted to demonstrate because technology has been, especially digital technology, like social media has been kept popping up pretty bad rap recently around a creation of mental health issues and other challenges from a, from a behavioral point of view. And I really wanted to demonstrate that it’s technology isn’t the problem. It’s simply pointing to it and it’s magnifying it that you’ve unconsciously, we believe we’re not enough. Or if unconsciously we believe we’re not worthy, then we will try to fill that internal void with external sources. And so to demonstrate that I had, I already had a lot of examples from the previous 18 months of how technology can be a remarkable thing. Especially when coupled with the sense of curiosity about what’s possible. But I really wanted to drive home the message in the talk. And so in the four month leading up to it, I secretly worked with more than 80 people from 40 countries around the world. Uh, they all recorded. I’m one of the songs that I wrote while traveling last year called there is still time. They recorded it in their part of the world. And, uh, uh, so we have people in front of rivers and castles and ruins and mountains and all these other crazy locations in Japan and South Korea and Venezuela and Macedonia and many other countries around the world. Uh, and then for my part in the video, we transported a grand piano to garden of the Gods in Colorado, which is this beautiful red rock formation with mountains off in the distance a. We did that at sunrise with a commercial drone, videographer, another closeout videos, and pull that old, all of that content into an animated split screen video that played on the big screen while I played the song live on stage during the torque on a grand piano. Um, so it really drove home the message that, that technology can be used in good ways, especially when you’re utilizing it to enhance your creativity and innovation and every relationship that, and it was purposely done like this. Every relationship with the people that were involved in the video a was done through digital technology. I’ve never met any of them in person and before the project, uh, we never knew each other even existed. So it really, really helped to drive home that if we could just create something like that, remarkable like that in just four months, uh, imagine what could be possible within companies within people people’s lives, uh, when they utilize technology and for conscious and purposeful ways and really nurture their curiosity around what is possible. And I have to give you Kudos because it sounded like a hell of a lot of work. Just even getting a, getting a industrial drone with a grand piano in the middle of nowhere. It was a pretty full on for months. I mean, it was, we did it in a short space of time, but yeah, don’t, don’t get me wrong, it’s a, it was a lot of work and a lot of late hours involved in that, but it’s really worth it when you, when you see content come to life and inspires people, especially people that you’ve never met and people from all over the world, that’s a pretty remarkable thing. So to be able to provide and if people want to check out that talk apart from us Lincoln in [email protected], where can they go on Youtube to watch that? Yeah, I mean youtube. You can just search Cameron Brown. What future are we creating? And it’ll come up. I’m on the, on the search results. Otherwise you can also go to thriving forward slash change. Um, that has the torque embedded in there. It has the music video as a standalone video embedded in there as well. Um, so you can watch both there. So there’s a couple of ways that people can check that out.


Victor Ahipene: And when you were saying about the content, you’ve put out other stuff that have been seen over a million organic views, which you know, has, has a lot of people celebrating when it comes to content creation and things like that. What, what, and why do you think it skews your content? You know, particularly organic is getting so many views and, you know, what do you think special about it and how do you go about crafting your content?


Cameron Brown: It’s a great, a great question. I mean, uh, I, I never know exactly what’s going to go either viral or semi viral. Uh, I don’t think any, anybody who thinks that they know that, um, I mean you can increase your chances of that, but anyone who says this is absolutely going to go viral. I think you’re kidding yourself. Uh, but what, what I, what I look at is, is how can I create, and this kind of. This came to a, at the end of 2016, I chose to write less on the. I set out a three year vision and then I set out 12 month outcomes and 90 day projects. And in the three year vision and had previously been very, very long, uh, in terms of very specific about what I wanted to achieve when I want it to achieve it, uh, I had less on my list in those three years at the end of 2016 going into 2017 that I’ve ever had before. And I’ve achieved more than I’ve ever had before. So it’s, uh, it opened me up a little bit, but the reason I mentioned that mentioned that is because one of the, uh, the things that I wrote on there and it’s a very subjective taste, is create masterful works of art. And there wasn’t any attachment to what exactly that was going to be a. But it is create masterful works of art. And so as time has gone on and throughout, especially throughout 2017 and throughout this year as well in the implementation of this latest project, it’s, it’s how can I create something that I, I deem personally as, as a masterful work of art, that if I look at it and go, wow, you know, take away anybody else but me personally and just, I’m just blown away by what I’ve been able to personally create that that’s a, that’s a specific criteria for me. Um, and uh, and yet in terms of the, the ability for it to, to get out there, uh, it, it, it does need to be something that people want to share at the end of the day or if it’s not shareable, then, uh, you can have something that’s really great, but, uh, but people aren’t going to necessarily share that. And part of that, you won’t know that until, until it happens. And, and even, even after, I think I’ve created less and less attachment to when something goes viral or when something gets the views. Because when I remember releasing, um, there was a video that I did a showcase and the natural beauty of Columbia rain forests, waterfalls, beaches, um, and then I use that in some of the talks that I deliver, um, as well, uh, and that, that video, it wasn’t until, I think it was about 10 or 12 weeks after it came out and it had gotten maybe a five, 10,000 views, something like that. Uh, and then it started getting shared again and it started getting shared a lot more until a point where, um, the, the official site of Columbia ended up sharing the, sharing the video and it just went, went crazy. Like it was getting about 5,000 plays in our, for example, for a period of time. And, uh, and so I think there’s, there’s an element of yes, you can put great content out there. Um, then there’s also the element is an element of luck of the right people seeing your content because you can share it out manually to people that you would like to have them share. Um, but at the end of the day, you’ve got to have them actually look at it and actually want to share it. So I think the, the, the moral of this is that you’re putting a number of pieces in place to give it the best chance of having that, a share ability and people and having a chance of going viral, at least having a chance of getting into the right people that you’re wanting to, wanting to have see it, um, is, is really important to do. Um, but there’s been plenty of videos just so that those of you tuning in, there’s been plenty of videos we haven’t gone viral, um, that, uh, still great content. Uh, and again, I think it’s about putting out consistently putting out great content. Um, and uh, and then eventually there’s those pieces that stick. There’s other pieces that might be don’t go as well as you’d like them. So, um, but, uh, you know, at the end of it averages out pretty nice. Like, and do you with the wood, with some of the stuff that’s going viral, do you deliberately reach out to certain places that do, do app the luck factor from what you call it? Or is it, is it. Yeah, just hoping that it gets in front of these people. Some of the, there was one of the videos that I did, which was the song that I wrote about bullying and suicide and that three lights got passed one point 8 million views on youtube now and that’s 100 percent organic and uh, over over the time that it’s been up, um, that I, I don’t think I’ve ever reached out to anybody. It just, it just worked well. The keywords were specific in there about what it was. And so there was some research done in that, which, you know, like you said up the luck, luck factor there, but it wasn’t any specific reaching out back then. I didn’t really, really know too much about, you know, reaching out to people who had, you know, good followings, for example, uh, with, with the Columbia video, uh, you know, there, there was more reaching out. I didn’t have a huge network in Columbia specifically for them to want to share it, for example. Um, and uh, and then people, I didn’t know people elsewhere, we’re wanting really wanting to share that, um, that I still did reach out to a lot of my contacts. Um, especially those who had a decent following to see if I would want to share that. Um, and then as time’s gone on, now it’s, it becomes this snowball effect where you kind of get this. If you can get some traction to begin with, then all of a sudden other people see it. Like I had, um, I’ve had multiple people reach out, like it, Sofia Vergara, his team reached out to you some of the content in one of their campaigns for one of the product shows releasing. There’s a documentary that’s going to use the content. There’s a travel website that’s for that specific video there. They’re wanting to use or create this edited version and, and credit that. Um, and I’ve got millions of followers. That’s just a recent one. So, so once, once the momentum builds there, it’s much easier. Um, but, uh, yeah, doing, putting those things in place first and foremost is, is, is really important. And that happened with the, you know, releasing out the, uh, the video with the people from 80 countries, 40 countries around the world. Again, it was, it was reaching out to key people and having them, having them share as much as possible to give it the best chance of getting into, into the right hands and hopefully ideally making a great impact. And I think that’s probably just the last thing to mention here is that if you’re just, to me anyway, if you’re just wanting stuff to go viral for the sake of it or if we get famous or whatever you want to do a. I think he kind of missing the point. I, I’m a big believer that storytelling and a quality videos have, have really genuinely have the power to change people’s perceptions, change people’s behaviors, change people’s belief systems, and, uh, and have them care more about whatever topic it is you’re doing a, whether it’s a certain thing about education or, or, or the environment or the planet or, um, or a way of getting to think differently. Uh, that’s, that’s what you should be focusing on. I believe, you know, when I look at, you know, creating master for works of art as it gets, not just an ego thing for me, like, yeah, I want to, I want to believe that I have done my best work, which is definitely a criteria around creating those masks for works of art. Um, and because I, I wouldn’t class that otherwise if I hadn’t done my best work, which means I need to step up, right. Uh, so it’s a way of keeping myself accountable to that. Uh, but the ultimate is that the reason why I’m creating that is to inspire millions of people around the world to ensure that I’m doing my part in, uh, in the evolution of humanity and the wellbeing of our planet. So I think that’s something to really drive home here for those tuning in.


Victor Ahipene: Yeah, I think it is as well. And I mean, like you’re saying, trying to get famous or get a few views or something, it takes the same amount of work. Yeah. To it is what it does to create an impact. So yeah, if you’ve got option a or option B, you might as well take option b. and, and I think that, I think the listeners here that they’re all trying to get the message out to a, to a bigger audience and hopefully that’s an impactful message and uh, you know, isn’t, isn’t too self serving, but in the, to, to, to be able to create content to be able to be that it creates opportunities like it, like it has for you with being on stage or you know, running trainings or just getting in front of more people. And having an impactful message. Yeah. The more people you can get in front of with a positive message, the Beta and you know that. That’s why I backed back.


Cameron Brown: Yeah. I was going to say just there is like, I completely completely agree with you and I, I’m a big believer then if you’re, if you’re staying on message, then the right people are going to watch your videos and the people that you’re wanting to watch those videos, if you’re just creating, to me, if it’s like, if you’re just creating content for the sake of creating stuff to get more views and you’re relying on external validation, uh, and that from a behavioral point of view is going to kick your ass because when you don’t get the lights or don’t get the comments or don’t get the shares because they will be a video that will happen that you don’t get that necessarily or at least at the level that you’d like it to. A, that can impact your wellbeing. Uh, overall, uh, your ability to go forth with confidence going forward. Whereas if you’re internally driven, you’re creating something and yes, you want to create it for your market, but you also want to make sure that you’re staying aligned to your purpose, aligned to that mission that you have aligned to who you are and and aligned to what makes you unique and what makes you a powerful and beautiful right. Uh, when you do that, it allows you to provide a unique point of difference in how you’re providing and how you’re delivering that content, but allows you to feel that it’s you who is delivering that content, which as you’re going forward and as you’re continuing to build your brands in the world of speaking, for example, you’re continuing to feel lack incident enhancement of who you already are rather than feeling like it’s actually pulling you in a different direction to where your unconsciously and ideally.


Victor Ahipene: At your purest sense wanting to go. It’s a very good message for your rent to take on board when it comes to. Yeah, you’re talking about building your brand and obviously your brand is continuing to build and, and yeah, there’s a lot of people can go back and check out the third episode where I talk about a different ways to kind of build authority and expertise to create more opportunities and whether that’s writing a book or speak, getting more speaking engagements, running podcasts, creating viral, Carl, creating amazing content, being a blogger or all these different things, getting media exposure, um, as it, as it grows, generally more a larger opportunities started presenting themselves to you. And for you Karen, it’s been, you’ve been, but this, this year and next year working towards a lot more, you know, professional keynote speaking. So how, how have, how is that transition kind of come about? Um, yeah, and what are some of some of the ways that you’ve started to get some of these keynote presentations that you’re doing?


Cameron Brown: Yeah, it’s a great question. Uh, in terms of how it came about actually came about when I was in Mexico living earlier this year. It seems that each player, each time that I moved to a new country over this 18 month period, I, I really questioned and it was done in an empowering way, but it was still challenging at the same time of, you know, what’s, what’s that next level of impact for me, how can I make an even greater difference, how can I make an even greater impact? Um, and, and when I was in a, I really didn’t have that much of an intention of being in the, in the US specifically. Um, and then my sister actually said, oh, would you, would you ever think of living in the US or Canada? And I still remember saying to her, I think so. And then I started just playing around with the idea, um, and this is this a sense of curiosity of those of you tuning in. And um, when you check out the tool, you’ll hear about how I talk about curiosity and the power of that. And so I just started being curious about, well, you know, if I did that, what, what, what might that look like? And I started playing around with her and it started solidifying into, well…


Victor Ahipene: This is actually.


…a really good next move because in terms of making that next level of impact, it was going to allow me to be in one location and based out of there and still be in different countries around the world throughout the year, but spending majority of my time in one location to be able to inspire many people, um, in, uh, in, in that group setting, through speaking and training engagements. Um, and so then as, as we went on, it was, well, how, how am I going to make that happen? Which meant that we had to go through the whole visa process, which is a massive process in itself of, uh, of making that happen. But, um, I’d never been more certain once I had, um, I’m covered why it is that I wasn’t going to do it in the first place and why it is that I should go and do it. It was very driven by how I can make this next level of impact. This is the next level of impact is to continue providing and doing videos that, uh, that especially the use of, of music and a, and a video that really inspires people, but also through the speaking engagement. So, so that was a, um, it was, it was a very conscious decision after I realized that. And then the second part of your question is, uh, from a, uh, development of opportunities. I mean, I, I had built and continue to build a lot of relationships in the US already. I had ran some paint network events in the previous years and so I already had some, some decent contacts. And so I’ve become a, for example, a speaker resource for, uh, for, uh, a membership organization that has entrepreneurs, very successful entrepreneurs by the way, uh, you know, I’ve got to be doing at least, you know, multiple millions of dollars a year just to be a member. So, you know, there’s, there’s that which I’m on a speaker resource for now and building relationships out there. So really the building of relationships that they and I incredibly important part of my, uh, my existence really let alone a development of opportunity. So that continues to be the case. Um, and, and we will continue to be the case, uh, the why that shifted a little bit now in terms of some new pieces within North America. I have four speakers bureaus that are representing me now, which is fantastic. So that’s a, that’s a, a nice new new addition to the development of opportunities. Uh, and, and also then a media has been a big part. So, uh, you know, already this year there’s been TV and radio and podcasts, published interviews, uh, already this year, which has been fantastic, uh, and, and you know, looking forward to, to a number of more of those throughout the, throughout the year. And that’s partly partly a, an authority piece into and also again, it’s content generation at the end of the day, um, to be able to showcase the no house, showcase the knowledge, but also to be able to provide value to people. And yeah, hopefully that then that leads to certain opportunities which is, which has definitely happened in the past. Yeah. That a few of the main, main wise that’s happened so far.


Victor Ahipene: It’s a brilliant insight for people because a lot of people I’m deciding I’m going to be a professional speaker, a keynote speaker and things like that. And uh, yeah, I think we had eric, you know, Eric to Monday rising and yeah, sort of delves into that, that professional speaking space as well and kind of the, yeah, the bureaus are something that a lot of people don’t realize that the power of leverage really. It’s like getting a real estate agent to go look for a house for you. They can, they can find different things when it comes to, uh, you deciding on, on events, are they getting.


Cameron Brown: The type of events that you’re wanting to. And then when it comes to price negotiation, is there any kind of insider tips that you’ve, that you’ve found so far in this, in this journey into the professional speaking space? Yeah, for, for me now going forward, I mean I’ve got one coming up in 2019 for example, in, in, in theu , s where again we’re going to have, it’s more of an intimate type of event. So I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m loving the range of events where, you know, there could be hundreds or thousands of people at the other end of the spectrum, but for this event, um, you know, we have, uh, it will be somewhere around 90 people. Uh, we have a grand piano that’s going to be on, on the stage. They’re working out at the venue at the moment to be able to have the dinner tables or the dining tables on the stage with me set out around the piano. Um, so it’ll be this like just a cool intimate, exclusive kind of experience where it’s like almost like I’m speaking with them rather than speaking to them or at them. Um, and so, so yeah, I’m, I, I love ranges of experience, but for me and yeah, going forward, it’s very much about having a grand piano on stage to be able to deliver these multisensory keynotes. Uh, and, and, and to be able to provide something that, that they can’t get anywhere else. Um, you know, the, with the evolution of technology, you can go online and check out a tool call or check out an audio book or check out a podcast then and get some incredibly valuable information right from this podcast for example. And uh, so it, it becomes, you know, what else can you do on stage that delivers and provides an experience that they can’t get from anywhere else that would want to come and see you because they just can’t get this experience in, in their, in their living room, for example, or in their office. Um, and so that’s, that’s what it’s been for me for, for a while now and will continue to, for me, it’s about continuing to challenge what’s possible on stage. I already am thinking about what, what, what else can I do and how else can I provide these, these remarkable experiences. Um, you know, music and film is a two parts of that, but there’s a, there’s other technologies coming out like augmented reality for example, and all the other tools that can be used to again, create these immersive type of experience. So I would be suggesting those, those tuning in is, um, what, what makes you unique and so how can you utilize that, you know, why that is perceived as valuable. I think that’s really important to drive home. Uh, I’ve been, uh, toying around with having music on stage for a period of time and, and now you won’t, you won’t see me on stage with a digital piano because the brand that I’ve built and we’ll continue to build is classy and it’s got, it’s got to have a cool factor. It’s got to be on that, so frickin’ amazing. And if you just go to a digital piano in there, it’s not really going to set that same. Um, it’s more, it’s more of that gimmick. And I, and I had seen that. So this just, I want to mention this because this is some of the thinking that’s gone into my mind about how do I position this, what could easily be seen as a gimmick and ensure the best chance of not being seen as that and actually being seen as an addition to the value that I provide a very powerful point of difference versus a thing that people go, ah, yeah, that’s a bit cheesy, right? Um, so that’s, that’s just something that for those of you tuning in, if you’re already doing it, but think about how you could do it even better if you’re still working out how you’re going to position yourself than be thinking long and hard about how can you do this in a unique way and it’s something that allows you, that, that people in a difference. Um, so yeah, that’s, that’s what I’d recommend there. Uh, and then, yeah, I mean from a, from a negotiation point of view, uh, you know, I mean, the new piece of having speakers bureaus on board is that they really do all of that and working out all the details for you. For me, it’s always been about relationships and so, you know, usually when I’m, when I’m having a conversation with someone about speaking somewhere, we’re already have a decent relationship and so we’re just working out what the, what the, the best way forward is. I’ll often ask them, you know, do you have a budget for this? And you know, and that’s usually pretty early on in the conversation and you know, if you’re, if there or if they’re an event organizer of some description or if they’re an event organizer within an organization like they’ve, they’ve, they’ve, they’ve either got the budget or they don’t have the budget that’s already been budgeted for. Um, and so and so that we’ll know that we’ll know those numbers. Um, and uh, and I mean I’ve personally found that they’re pretty okay with sharing what that is and so that, that can give me a feel for, you know, is this something that is in alignment with my fee structure as, as it is, as a stance, um, is as you know, if it’s, if it’s higher than I can look and go, oh, well, you know, maybe it’s an even better fit than I thought it was going to beat your butt. And uh, and then if it’s not, then, then I’ve personally me and, and you know, those chicken, you’ve got to make a decision about what, what is the return on investment potentially going to be if maybe they don’t have a, have a budget. Um, is that, you know, are you able to either sell from stage or are you able to at least get them onto your mailing list which then can allow you to build in opportunities? I mean, I’ve, in the past, I don’t do as many anymore, but there was, I’ll definitely do if, if I can see that there’s going to be a potential great return on investment from it, uh, because there’s, there’s been engagements that I’ve done which has resulted in an ongoing coaching client and that’s a lot of that. That’s a decent level of revenue that is at times it’s been more than what I would have been paid if I was paid a speaking fee. Speakers fake. So it’s just to keep that in mind as well is if I end up doing something for a, you know, and, and do it as a free of charge piece or if there’s a discount it because there’s a, maybe it’s not for profit. I’ll sometimes do that. But if, you know, if there’s a lowering of it, to me it’s usually going to be what’s the return on investment I’m going to generate from this or potentially generate from this. Um, so if, if it’s going to be like that, I want to make sure I understand who the audience is, whether they are my potential client outside of specifically the speaking engagement. If it looks like they could be, then I work out, right. What’s a lead magnet that I could offer from stage of that, you know, if I’m not allowed to because all of them, you don’t rat lab to hard sell, right? Um, but a soft sally’s okay, you go, Hey, you know, uh, I’ve got a one page checklist on the seven ways to do this. Uh, for those of you lot in copy, I’ll just, we’ve got a little bowl here. Should that around the, around the room, just put your business card in there. I’ll make sure you get that over the next couple of days as a non salesy. It’s just a purely evaluate. Um, and it’s actually, you know, people do. If you, if you’ve provided a really good, uh, uh, a great value, then people genuinely generally do want to find out more. And if you haven’t got that next step for them to take, then you’re kind of selling your social, selling them short as well. So they’re just a. yeah, a few ways to go about it. I’ll usually, you know, when it’s a paid engagement, then that’s, it just speaks view plus the travel plus a combination. Um, and uh, and yeah, that’s a few things that hopefully helps. Yeah, that definitely does. And I think it’s really important to value yourself and realize that you’re either getting paid or you or you’re selling for the majority of the talks. So Russell Brunson at grant cardone’s event and he closed $3,000,000 from, from stage and that was it. He did a big breakdown on some podcasts assisting to about that. And uh, yeah, it, it gives you the insights and usually I only get paid and I know people find the solution that I’m talking about later. But he said this, he went all in with it, you know, the work behind the scenes to be able to sell it. A massive event. Yeah, it was pretty mind boggling. But I know our time and even now, listen, this time is super valuable. I just want to finish up.


Victor Ahipene: What’s a, what’s a book in the last 12 months had the biggest impact on you? It doesn’t necessarily have to be speaking or you can be an mindset business or just life in general. What’s want something that has had a big impact?


Cameron Brown: Oh good. A good thing is it has been about speaking. Um, so in the lead up to my talking row, uh, I, I listened to the audio book called Ted Talks by Chris Anderson. A remarkable book. I don’t know if it’s in book actual book format or if it’s only the audio book like go and check that out. Do some research. But the audit, I, I prefer audit, you know, audio books. But whatever you’re listening style is tuning in. The reason I love that so much, um, is there was such a practical breakdown in, in what can be done to really create a remarkable talk. And, and the structure behind that. I had, I’d gone through plenty of speakers training and workshop training and all of that before, and there were a few concepts in there, uh, that, that were really, really valuable and some that I actually built into, into the talk that, that turns it into, you know, took it from being great to being something that people have given feedback that it’s truly something remarkable. So yeah, that, that’s what I’d recommend. And for those of you, if you’re thinking about speaking or just wanting to communicate better with people, uh, that, that, that is an outstanding book to get an eye. Yeah, really highly recommend that.


Victor Ahipene: It’s funny because in the show notes for every episode, I’ve got my five favorite book recommendations and for, for people wanting to improve their speaking, and believe it or not, it’s a, there’s one of them because it’s a, there we go. It’s a brilliant book and who better to learn from someone who’s facilitated probably the biggest speaking thing outside of probably toastmasters in the world and a high quality speakers and people who haven’t been speakers prior to it. Yeah. He’s seen what works and what doesn’t, so we’ll link will link all of that in the show notes at Ken, thank you so much. I think I think my biggest takeaways have been, you know, your network is your net worth making those connections. It’s helped you to a degree with some of the virality. It’s helped you with different speaking engagements. It’s helped you, you know, live a lot kind of in every country that you’ve been to from the sounds of sounds of things. And I think the other thing is great masterpieces of art, which is something I think in this content saturated world we often forget about. We just put out content for the sake of putting out content rather than putting out something that has an impact behind it and there’s hopefully bigger than our own ego and the and the impact that it does have. So I appreciate you a lot for sharing that. If people want to find out a bit more about you, follow your journey and see what you’re up to, what can they do and where can they go?


Cameron Brown: Yeah. Two best places are is the website and on social channels the handle is at ask Cameron Brown. So ask Cameron Brown, uh, that’s on facebook, instagram, youtube, all of those channels. So yeah, check out. I’d love to, I’d love to connect with you guys those shooting in and um, yeah, it’s been been really great catching up today, victor today.


Victor Ahipene: Brilliant. Thanks a lot for your time.


Cameron Brown: Thanks man.